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		<title>By: Trosp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW #2, perhaps, it was his first &quot;beyond my payscale&quot; palusot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW #2, perhaps, it was his first &#8220;beyond my payscale&#8221; palusot.</p>
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		<title>By: Trosp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Geri, I don&#039;t want to leave any open loop, here is what made me have an impression that Obama has voted affirmative for the US to go to war with Iraq:

&quot;During a July 2004 interview reported by the New York Times when asked how he would have acted in regard to the Iraq resolution in 2002, Obama answered &quot;What would I have done? I don&#039;t know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case [against invading Iraq] was not made&quot; and that he was &quot;not privy to Senate Intelligence reports,&quot; using it as a reason to support John Kerry and John Edwards in the 2004 election. Obama defended his words on a later edition of Meet the Press saying that he made the statement because it was during the middle of an election in which his party&#039;s presidential nominees had both voted to authorize the war and noting that he was openly opposed to the war as early as 2002.&quot;

And since your are very good in fact checking, let&#039;s have some fun with these items -

 - http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

- http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/palin.asp

You have the factcheck.org to validate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Geri, I don&#8217;t want to leave any open loop, here is what made me have an impression that Obama has voted affirmative for the US to go to war with Iraq:</p>
<p>&#8220;During a July 2004 interview reported by the New York Times when asked how he would have acted in regard to the Iraq resolution in 2002, Obama answered &#8220;What would I have done? I don&#8217;t know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case [against invading Iraq] was not made&#8221; and that he was &#8220;not privy to Senate Intelligence reports,&#8221; using it as a reason to support John Kerry and John Edwards in the 2004 election. Obama defended his words on a later edition of Meet the Press saying that he made the statement because it was during the middle of an election in which his party&#8217;s presidential nominees had both voted to authorize the war and noting that he was openly opposed to the war as early as 2002.&#8221;</p>
<p>And since your are very good in fact checking, let&#8217;s have some fun with these items -</p>
<p> &#8211; <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp</a></p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/palin.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/palin.asp</a></p>
<p>You have the factcheck.org to validate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Trosp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geri,

I agree with you. I did not make them. All the while, I thought those moronic remarks from the leftwing were just parodies or satires and then I found out they&#039;re really very serious about them.  

Heh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geri,</p>
<p>I agree with you. I did not make them. All the while, I thought those moronic remarks from the leftwing were just parodies or satires and then I found out they&#8217;re really very serious about them.  </p>
<p>Heh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: geri</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trosp you are of course free to make your interpretations on what goes on Obama&#039;s mind. Actually I have only been visiting the Huffington Post, other than that I read or watch the news. I have to check out those other sites you mentioned.

With what&#039;s happening on Wall Street (historic, transformative, unprecedented are just some of the adjectives being used) opinions of Sarah Palin&#039;s outfit whether they be democrats or republicans is the least of my concern right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trosp you are of course free to make your interpretations on what goes on Obama&#8217;s mind. Actually I have only been visiting the Huffington Post, other than that I read or watch the news. I have to check out those other sites you mentioned.</p>
<p>With what&#8217;s happening on Wall Street (historic, transformative, unprecedented are just some of the adjectives being used) opinions of Sarah Palin&#8217;s outfit whether they be democrats or republicans is the least of my concern right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Trosp</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geri,

Let&#039;s go beyond what were in factcheck.org about Obama&#039;s vote in Iraq war. I have included the summary of the bill for your reference.

Obama voted for war appropriations according to factcheck.org:

1) Vote Date:        April 21, 2005, 04:55 PM
Measure Number: H.R. 1268 - Summary: http://tinyurl.com/3pgs6r
Measure Title:       An act making Emergency Supplemental 
                             Appropriations for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and  
                             Tsunami Relief, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, 
                             and for other purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs 99,  NAYs 0, Not Voting 1

2) Vote Date:       May 10, 2005, 05:50 PM
Measure Number: H.R. 1268 
Measure Title:       An act making Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for 
                             Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, for the 
                             fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other 
                             purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs 100, NAYs 0

3) Vote Date:       October 7, 2005, 09:17 AM
Measure Number: H.R. 2863- Summary: http://tinyurl.com/7twvx
Measure Title:       A bill making appropriations for the Department of Defense  
                             for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other 
                             purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs 97,  NAYs 0,  Not Voting 3

4) Vote Date:       December 21, 2005, 09:57 PM
Measure Number: H.R. 2863
Measure Title:       A bill making appropriations for the Department of Defense 
                             for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other 
                             purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs 93, NAYs 0, Not Voting7

5.} Vote Date:      May 2, 2006, 11:00 AM
Measure Number: H.R. 4939- Summary: http://tinyurl.com/4jwln6
Measure Title:       A bill making emergency supplemental appropriations for the 
                             fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other 
                             purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs 92, NAYs 4 (Dems), Not Voting4

6.) Vote Date:      May 4, 2006, 12:04 PM
Measure Number: H.R. 4939
Measure Title:       A bill making emergency supplemental appropriations for   
                             the fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other 
                             purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs 77, NAYs 21, (all Reps),  Not Voting2

7.) Vote Date:       June 15, 2006, 10:00 AM
Measure Number: H.R. 4939
Measure Title:       A bill making emergency supplemental appropriations for the 
                             fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other 
                             purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs 98,  NAYs 1,  Not Voting1

8.) Vote Date:      September 7, 2006, 06:08 PM
Measure Number: H.R. 5631- Summary: http://tinyurl.com/4nt7cu
Measure Title:       A bill making appropriations for the Department of Defense 
                             for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007, and for other 
                             purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs 98, NAYs 0, Not Voting2

9.) Vote Date:       September 29, 2006, 10:00 AM
Measure Number:  H.R. 5631
Measure Title:       A bill making appropriations for the Department of Defense 
                             for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007, and for other 
                             purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs100, NAYs 0

10) Vote Date:      April 26, 2007, 12:56 PM
Measure Number: H.R. 1591 (U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans&#039; Care, Katrina 
                             Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007 ) Summary:              http://tinyurl.com/4m7yv8
Measure Title:       A bill making emergency supplemental appropriations for the 
                             fiscal year ending September 30, 2007, and for other 
                             purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs 51, NAYs 46 (all Reps), Not Voting 3
{Obama&#039;s final vote for troop funding (Vote 147, April 26) was for an emergency supplemental appropriation THAT ALSO INCLUDED A CALL FOR WITHDRAWAL FROM IRAQ /caps are mine/. Obama issued a news release at the time, saying: &quot;We must fund our troops. But we owe them something more. ... With my vote today, I am saying to the President that enough is enough.&quot; The measure passed 51 to 46 and was vetoed. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_truth_on_troop_support.html)}

Obama Voted against

11) Vote Date:     May 24, 2007, 08:26 PM
Measure Number: H.R. 2206 (U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans&#039; Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007 ) 
Summary:              http://tinyurl.com/46bm9l
Measure Title:       Making emergency supplemental appropriations and 
                             additional supplemental appropriations for agricultural and 
                             other emergency assistance for the fiscal year ending 
                             September 30, 2007, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts:        YEAs 80,  NAYs 14 (9 Dems, 4 Republicans, 1 Ind), Not Voting 6

The first nine just have mentioned Iraq, I would say, in passing. I would say he has to vote in affirmative since they were party-line votes. (Aside from there is nothing there to explain later.). His party line votes statistic, if I&#039;m not mistaken is around 96%.  If we are splitting the hair here, Obama can be said to have voted in favor of troop funding in Iraq. 

The tenth, which was the significant one for Iraq (an issue category) - he voted affirmative but with string attached as I have mentioned above. IMO, he was playing both sides of the coin here. In any event something go wrong, it will be very comfortable for him to say &quot;sabi ko na nga sa inyo, tigas ng mga ulo nyo&quot;. Again, if we&#039;re splitting the hair, we can say that he voted for troops funding.
 
The eleventh, a similar bill from the tenth, was eventually approved without Obama&#039;s proposed troop withdrawal. We all know that what came next was the US military surge  in Iraq which up to now he is telling us that it&#039;s success was &quot;beyond the expectation&quot; (read: expected to fail). 

I would say we are seeing this issue from different perspective. I will say it was my bad by not being categorical with my previous comments. I&#039;m not used to in having a discourse with  Daily Kos, Huffington Post, NYT, Salon, etc. readers/commenters. 

As for Palin&#039;s not wearing pantsuits, try this link - http://tinyurl.com/5wpbe7
Or you want some more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geri,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s go beyond what were in factcheck.org about Obama&#8217;s vote in Iraq war. I have included the summary of the bill for your reference.</p>
<p>Obama voted for war appropriations according to factcheck.org:</p>
<p>1) Vote Date:        April 21, 2005, 04:55 PM<br />
Measure Number: H.R. 1268 &#8211; Summary: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/3pgs6r" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3pgs6r</a><br />
Measure Title:       An act making Emergency Supplemental<br />
                             Appropriations for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and<br />
                             Tsunami Relief, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005,<br />
                             and for other purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs 99,  NAYs 0, Not Voting 1</p>
<p>2) Vote Date:       May 10, 2005, 05:50 PM<br />
Measure Number: H.R. 1268<br />
Measure Title:       An act making Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for<br />
                             Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, for the<br />
                             fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other<br />
                             purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs 100, NAYs 0</p>
<p>3) Vote Date:       October 7, 2005, 09:17 AM<br />
Measure Number: H.R. 2863- Summary: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/7twvx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/7twvx</a><br />
Measure Title:       A bill making appropriations for the Department of Defense<br />
                             for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other<br />
                             purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs 97,  NAYs 0,  Not Voting 3</p>
<p>4) Vote Date:       December 21, 2005, 09:57 PM<br />
Measure Number: H.R. 2863<br />
Measure Title:       A bill making appropriations for the Department of Defense<br />
                             for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other<br />
                             purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs 93, NAYs 0, Not Voting7</p>
<p>5.} Vote Date:      May 2, 2006, 11:00 AM<br />
Measure Number: H.R. 4939- Summary: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4jwln6" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4jwln6</a><br />
Measure Title:       A bill making emergency supplemental appropriations for the<br />
                             fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other<br />
                             purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs 92, NAYs 4 (Dems), Not Voting4</p>
<p>6.) Vote Date:      May 4, 2006, 12:04 PM<br />
Measure Number: H.R. 4939<br />
Measure Title:       A bill making emergency supplemental appropriations for<br />
                             the fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other<br />
                             purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs 77, NAYs 21, (all Reps),  Not Voting2</p>
<p>7.) Vote Date:       June 15, 2006, 10:00 AM<br />
Measure Number: H.R. 4939<br />
Measure Title:       A bill making emergency supplemental appropriations for the<br />
                             fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other<br />
                             purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs 98,  NAYs 1,  Not Voting1</p>
<p>8.) Vote Date:      September 7, 2006, 06:08 PM<br />
Measure Number: H.R. 5631- Summary: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4nt7cu" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4nt7cu</a><br />
Measure Title:       A bill making appropriations for the Department of Defense<br />
                             for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007, and for other<br />
                             purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs 98, NAYs 0, Not Voting2</p>
<p>9.) Vote Date:       September 29, 2006, 10:00 AM<br />
Measure Number:  H.R. 5631<br />
Measure Title:       A bill making appropriations for the Department of Defense<br />
                             for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007, and for other<br />
                             purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs100, NAYs 0</p>
<p>10) Vote Date:      April 26, 2007, 12:56 PM<br />
Measure Number: H.R. 1591 (U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans&#8217; Care, Katrina<br />
                             Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007 ) Summary:              <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4m7yv8" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4m7yv8</a><br />
Measure Title:       A bill making emergency supplemental appropriations for the<br />
                             fiscal year ending September 30, 2007, and for other<br />
                             purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs 51, NAYs 46 (all Reps), Not Voting 3<br />
{Obama&#8217;s final vote for troop funding (Vote 147, April 26) was for an emergency supplemental appropriation THAT ALSO INCLUDED A CALL FOR WITHDRAWAL FROM IRAQ /caps are mine/. Obama issued a news release at the time, saying: &#8220;We must fund our troops. But we owe them something more. &#8230; With my vote today, I am saying to the President that enough is enough.&#8221; The measure passed 51 to 46 and was vetoed. <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_truth_on_troop_support.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_truth_on_troop_support.html</a>)}</p>
<p>Obama Voted against</p>
<p>11) Vote Date:     May 24, 2007, 08:26 PM<br />
Measure Number: H.R. 2206 (U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans&#8217; Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007 )<br />
Summary:              <a href="http://tinyurl.com/46bm9l" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/46bm9l</a><br />
Measure Title:       Making emergency supplemental appropriations and<br />
                             additional supplemental appropriations for agricultural and<br />
                             other emergency assistance for the fiscal year ending<br />
                             September 30, 2007, and for other purposes.<br />
Vote Counts:        YEAs 80,  NAYs 14 (9 Dems, 4 Republicans, 1 Ind), Not Voting 6</p>
<p>The first nine just have mentioned Iraq, I would say, in passing. I would say he has to vote in affirmative since they were party-line votes. (Aside from there is nothing there to explain later.). His party line votes statistic, if I&#8217;m not mistaken is around 96%.  If we are splitting the hair here, Obama can be said to have voted in favor of troop funding in Iraq. </p>
<p>The tenth, which was the significant one for Iraq (an issue category) &#8211; he voted affirmative but with string attached as I have mentioned above. IMO, he was playing both sides of the coin here. In any event something go wrong, it will be very comfortable for him to say &#8220;sabi ko na nga sa inyo, tigas ng mga ulo nyo&#8221;. Again, if we&#8217;re splitting the hair, we can say that he voted for troops funding.</p>
<p>The eleventh, a similar bill from the tenth, was eventually approved without Obama&#8217;s proposed troop withdrawal. We all know that what came next was the US military surge  in Iraq which up to now he is telling us that it&#8217;s success was &#8220;beyond the expectation&#8221; (read: expected to fail). </p>
<p>I would say we are seeing this issue from different perspective. I will say it was my bad by not being categorical with my previous comments. I&#8217;m not used to in having a discourse with  Daily Kos, Huffington Post, NYT, Salon, etc. readers/commenters. </p>
<p>As for Palin&#8217;s not wearing pantsuits, try this link &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5wpbe7" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5wpbe7</a><br />
Or you want some more?</p>
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